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[MapleCat2017]
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I am looking to do my first marathon on November 10th . I'm 17 years old and going to be a Senior in high school. I do about 50 miles a week now, soon to be 60. I just did a 10k in 33:30 with my base training. My long runs are usually 12 miles lately, but I plan to get up to 16 miles. Now... What I need help with: Is sub 3:00 a realistic goal? and.. What are some key workouts to this? Any advice would be appreciated.. Just take a look at my running log to see more about my training. I am going to compete in cross country also. If you need more info just ask.
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[GuyLove]
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The biggest determinant will be your training pace, which looks to be fine for general mileage as it stands, as long as you do stamina workouts. You'll definitely need to get your long runs over 16 miles early in the fall. The more comfortable you are with 20+ mile long runs, the easier the marathon will come to you. Work on pacing on your long runs too; since you'll be coming off a cross country season, your legs might be likely to want to run too fast from the gun and that's a recipe for disaster.
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[CoffeY]
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Why do you want to run a marathon? Unless it's for a noble cause, I highly suggest you DO NOT run a marathon. It will most likely ruin what looks like a promising cross country season.
Serisously, No!
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[iTroyer]
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I agree with CoffeY. You're going to be a senior, focus on a good cross season. Stay active and start running marathons in your mid 20s, so when you approach your peak (if training well, what, isn't that around age 28?) you'll be ready to stomp losers in the pack.
(I'm no expert, however.)
I have DEFINITELY heard of some people really screwing over their cross seasons by trying to run marathons in their high school years. They over-work in the off-season, run the marathon, break their body down, and ended up getting injured in one way or another.
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[RoyalWithCheese]
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I don't care about what your background, ability level, or "plan" is. You need to get your long run up to 20 miles. Especially if you want to do sub 3 hours.
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[JStroff]
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I say go for it. You're going to learn a lot through your training and the race itself. When you hit the wall you will learn a lot about your body. Just be smart about things, ya know? Eat right during training, keep tabs on your running form, and be aware of any injuries that might become exacerbated through long distance running. Good luck!
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[Ayedubbs]
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RoyalWithCheese wrote:
I don't care about what your background, ability level, or "plan" is. You need to get your long run up to 20 miles. Especially if you want to do sub 3 hours. |
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yeah because no one has ever run a sub 3 hr marathon w/o doing a 20 mile long run...
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[Ayedubbs]
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Ayedubbs wrote:
yeah because no one has ever run a sub 3 hr marathon w/o doing a 20 mile long run... |
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^ [insert sarcastic tone to above]
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[CoffeY]
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JStroff wrote:
I say go for it. You're going to learn a lot through your training and the race itself. When you hit the wall you will learn a lot about your body. Just be smart about things, ya know? Eat right during training, keep tabs on your running form, and be aware of any injuries that might become exacerbated through long distance running. Good luck! |
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And this is why you no longer coach high school track... Unless I'm totally overlooking sarcasm.
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[RoyalWithCheese]
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Throughout all of the "first marathon" threads on this site one of the things they have in common is that the runner wants to talk about "workouts" other than the long run. Before I failed my first marathon I did one twenty mile run even though every experienced marathon runner I talked to said to focus on getting my long run to 20 miles first. I focused on 16 mile tempo runs, because one guy said that would get the job done. After I failed my first marathon all of the experienced marathon people I know where like, I told you to focus on your long run. I keep in mind that most runners are not exceptional, and for the ones that are I don't treat them any different. I sure as hell wouldn't tell an exceptional runner to do the bare minimum to achieve their goals, because the average runners would have to witness this and it's f***ing insulting. I'll say this, if this guy runs below three hours without more than a sixteen mile long run I'll leave the site. For real.
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[JStroff]
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CoffeY wrote:
And this is why you no longer coach high school track...
Unless I'm totally overlooking sarcasm.
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He's going to do it, anyway. He's got the date all set and is interested in learning how to train. And don't forget, I learned about track from the best!
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[Ayedubbs]
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CoffeY wrote:
Why do you want to run a marathon? Unless it's for a noble cause, I highly suggest you DO NOT run a marathon. It will most likely ruin what looks like a promising cross country season.
Serisously, No!
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you sir, are way too responsible and have way too much respect for the process.
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[Ayedubbs]
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RoyalWithCheese wrote:
Throughout all of the "first marathon" threads on this site one of the things they have in common is that the runner wants to talk about "workouts" other than the long run. Before I failed my first marathon I did one twenty mile run even though every experienced marathon runner I talked to said to focus on getting my long run to 20 miles first. I focused on 16 mile tempo runs, because one guy said that would get the job done. After I failed my first marathon all of the experienced marathon people I know where like, I told you to focus on your long run. I keep in mind that most runners are not exceptional, and for the ones that are I don't treat them any different. I sure as hell wouldn't tell an exceptional runner to do the bare minimum to achieve their goals, because the average runners would have to witness this and it's f***ing insulting.
I'll say this, if this guy runs below three hours without more than a sixteen mile long run I'll leave the site. For real. |
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I am fairly certain you are speaking German, a language I don't understand.
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[RoyalWithCheese]
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[BrewPat]
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MapleCat2017 wrote:
I am looking to do my first marathon on November 10th . I'm 17 years old and going to be a Senior in high school. I do about 50 miles a week now, soon to be 60. I just did a 10k in 33:30 with my base training. My long runs are usually 12 miles lately, but I plan to get up to 16 miles.
Now... What I need help with:
Is sub 3:00 a realistic goal?
and..
What are some key workouts to this?
Any advice would be appreciated..
Just take a look at my running log to see more about my training. I am going to compete in cross country also.
If you need more info just ask.
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Don't do it. It's stupid at your age to run a marathon. You want to do a half, fine. Seriously dump the idea, it's dumb.
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[donmurf]
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I have to agree with BrewPat and Coffey. When I was your age, I ran a marathon, and it burned me out of running for the next 10 years. Now I'm not suggesting it's going to happen to you, but there's just no sense in someone your age doing this.
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[Jraftery12]
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I agree with others on putting off a marathon. For some people, it's fine to run those really long distances but for some it can be a disaster. If you have any kind of stride issues that create problems in the last part of XC seasons (like IT band issues, hip issues, knee issues) that are usually fine with rest but really nag towards the end of the season... that's the kind of thing that a 26.2 mile run will really mess with.
I run half marathons now.. but I ruined my high school and college running careers by trying to do too many long runs too far.
Be careful. Unless you have literally NO problems and no prospects for overuse injuries, you could really really regret the marathon. There's plenty of time for that in college!
And if you decide to do it... don't go for sub 3:00 yet!!!
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long runs, long runs, long runs. i just did a full in christchurch, new zealand. sure, i wasn't going for any sort of time or anything, but with only 1 16 mile training run done the weekend before, i hit mile 23 and kinda blew up. like i said, i was doing it for fun, just to do something i'd never done before while i wasn't in season (6 months abroad, so i had no track this past spring), but it would've been a lot more enjoyable had i had some effective training (read: long runs) under my belt.
that said, if you're trying to do this full marathon after an xc season, pshh. seriously, i'm all for testing the limits as to what you can and cannot do (and i believe a lot of that is determined by mentality), but in this case, it's just such a beating to take at such a young age that i'm worried it'll be a one-and-done fun experience for you. you really do have so much more time in the future; why not use training for a marathon as motivation to train after your competitive career (i.e. high school or college or whenever you stop competing on a legitimate team) when you're also older, stronger, more durable, and with less to lose? something to think on. buttttttt...don't let all the detractors here stop you if it's something you REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do.
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